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CATfrcomCheshire:
Uwaga, wklejam wall of text po angielsku. Wyjscie THORN z HBC rozpoczelo fale spekulacji wewnatrz superduperkoaliji, co spowodowalo najpierw rozwlekle tlumaczenia Shadoo na forum (wklejalem wyzej), a teraz znowu potrzebe wytlumaczenia sie odczul lider koalicji, Sort Dragon. W skrocie: Raiden nie jest wcale takie zle, a wina lezy po obu stronach :) Enjoy.
Sort Dragon
Resilience.
Pandemic Legion
Posted Today, 02:01
Good Evening Friends the title of tonight's post is 'There is always 2 sides to a story'
This evening I come to you with a heavy heart, regarding Thorn alliance's departure from the hbc. After Lucian James plain distasteful post yesterday with regards to their leaving of the coalition, I believe it is my responsibility to come to you and explain what actually happened with regards to thorn in the past 2 weeks and what lead up to them leaving. Thorn was in fact in line to be kicked from the coalition, but instead fell on their sword and decided to pull out.
Let me take you back to just over 2 weeks ago when I was asked to take over the hbc in the shade of the drama surrounding Montolio's departure, due partly to stress and having to deal with multiple things including logs leaked by thorn with regards to the situation between them and raiden.
Firstly, let's cover the Thorn side of things.
You all know the history of thorn so I will not go on and give you a long winding tale about their past. Fast forward to the recent drama regarding them and Raiden. This came about when Selest, the leader of raiden, came forward to Montolio with an intent to secure the rest of querious (outside of initiative’s sov) for his alliance. A proposal was written up and handed to Montolio. The proposal was well written and even though it saw thorn losing the 1 constellation they owned in querious, it left thorn with next to an entire region to live in. This is where things went horribly wrong, a lot of things happened all at once when the plan became public knowledge, people were in an uproar, some with valid points, some just talking absolute shit. This is where the current terminology of 'Fuck Raiden' was born. After much thought Montolio made the decision to approve Raiden's proposal and go ahead with the plan to hand over all non init sov in querious to raiden. It is important to remember that the original proposal was not directed solely at thorn, it was directed at all residents of querious with an intent to reshape all of querious, The aim was for querious to scaled down until there were only 2 single sov holding alliances remaining, those being Init and Rdn.
One of the main problems and the reason for the forced scaling down of Thorn's holdings and removal of their querious sov, was for the simple fact that Thorn's alliance leadership was, to put it simply, a joke. Their leadership, if you could call it that, consisted of 4 people; 2 of which were unable to be contacted or communicated with most of the time, one of those being the actual CEO of Thorn. Of the other 2, 1 was Lucian James who was completely incompetent at leading anything and a perpetual drama queen. The last member of this band of 4, being the most useful in Thorn leadership, even though he actually in fact had no power at all in thorn, Alphastarpilot. Alpha was a huge help, but in fact could not enact any real change inside thorn as a whole which basically made him redundant.
To put it simply, on a base line grunt cannon fodder level, thorn was great they brought bums on seats, their pilots were easy to get along with and for the most part really fit in well. The problem was completely and utterly their leadership. Thorn was a veteran sov holding alliance making so many rookie mistakes that were costing the coalition a hell of a lot of trouble. For example, not securing important systems correctly, which caused small yet important hostile victories by killing and capturing sov in these systems. Another mistake continually made by thorn was a complete lack of communication to the coalition with regards to issues had or problems arising. The reason for this was the simple fact that they were not active enough to notice these problems or simply didn't care.
On the day Montolio quit, Thorn leaked to the public on the forum kugutsumen a list of logs taken completely out of context, which made both the current leader of the coalition look weak and started a hate war against another alliance in the coalition. The reasoning for this was plain and simple, to make thorn look like the battered wife that was hard done by and bullied into a hidden agenda by the leadership of the hbc. Thorn did not really care about how this affected the coalition when they leaked this, the fallout for this was in fact the straw that broke the camel's back. The coalition was made to look weak and unstable and thorn got all the attention they longed for. But the one important thing to remember, with all the good attention you think you are getting, you also attract just as much unwanted bad attention. And that's where I came in, this file landed on my desk as the most important thing to deal with once I took over. After numerous convo's with the suddenly active thorn leadership it was evident that they were unhappy. After the public stunt with the logs, there was no way in hell I was willing to give thorn an inch of the sov in querious that was transferred to raiden. Instead to help thorn get back on the right track, I compensated Thorn out of my own pocket to the value of 7 bil to help pay for the cost of what they being asked to give over to raiden in the switch. Raiden in turn also planned to compensate them to the combined value of 20bil.
This is where I started to smell a rat. From other sources outside of the hbc I was being told that thorn was looking for a new home. Even after I had given thorn the 'get out of hbc free card' they were still looking for a way out, this was indeed fair after what had happened, but all I had asked for from them was a little honesty. The next sour grape I had to taste was during a hbc strat op over to esoteria, where a pilot from thorn enlightened myself and the fleet that if he lost his rokh on this fleet then there would be no reimbursement, no subsidy, no help at all to get him into a new rokh. This, I found out was due to thorn's apparent lack of funds, which I knew was a lie. I knew this, as the day before I had been sent the google document of thorn's accounts, financial structure and reimbursement program and the numbers simply didn't add up. The same day this came to light, I was sent a message on jabber from another alliance leader in the coalition who had some disturbing news for me. Thorn's leadership was going around to different corps (and in fact some of the smaller alliances) and asking them to cut ties and leave with them. This was not going to be tolerated and the final thing that made up my mind. So what did I decide? I decided Thorn's time in the hbc had come to an end.
Since Monday I attempted to hunt down the elusive thorn leadership. Did I succeed? Hell no, I didn't. Suddenly yesterday afternoon, Lucian after my many attempts at contacting him finally replies and tells me we need to talk. He announces to me as of right now his alliance is no longer a member of the hbc. HALLELUJAH I say, well not really but you get the point. I will admit I felt a little cheated, I had gotten all dressed up, put on my nice kicking boots, and instead I walk into the room to find thorn had instead decided to impale itself on its sword. The thing that really stung was the fact that the little cry baby that is Lucian James, did not have the balls to shut the door nicely on his way out. He had to in fact post a big long crying splurge about how the hbc leadership hated thorn and they got picked on. I would just like to clarify something from the leadership, we didn't hate thorn, Lucian we hated you and only disliked the leadership that came along with you.
Now that I have posted the shit out of the stuff about thorn, onto Raiden.
Raiden isn't clean of this whole thing at all, I am not going to sit before you here and say they are. Did they take advantage of a particular situation for their own alliance gain? Yes. Did they go about this the wrong way? Yes. Did they deserve the heat they got from this and be given sole blame of this? Hell no.
Raiden is a strange alliance they do not believe in causing public trouble, they are very much a keep to themselves alliance and they integrate well with the hbc but there is always room for improvement. Now with thorn gone Raiden still remains in the coalition and I would ask that people give them a chance to actually show their true worth. A lot of people are happy to shit on rdn as people feel they are an easy target, but it is important to remember that even though someone may not be vocal it does not mean they are not doing something of use. The fact is rdn along with all the other alliances around catch and esoteria are really working together to do god's work and defend the space in the south. Day in day out they form in fleets together with other alliances (not just alone) and go out to fight the residents of stain, even though their own space isn't at all threatened. Raiden may have gone about the whole thorn situation the wrong way but they did in fact deserve the space they asked for and this was the reason why they were given it. Their leadership is active, they communicate with the other alliance's in the hbc well and are generally, from a leadership position, really easy to get along with. I will try in the future to make it possible for all to know what is going on from all corners of the hbc empire, to show everyone what alliance's like raiden, troll and tribe to name a few are actually doing, and to prove to everyone that even though an alliance may not be as vocal about what they are doing, they still get their day in the sunlight.
After all this has come to light I have realised there are still some changes (even some I hadn't thought of) that need to be implemented with regards to how we do things, including how we show upcoming ops. I am working with the IT team to maybe create an op timer board, this board will show all ops coming up, including form up location, which comms you need to be on and what ships you will need to be in (but thats for another wall of text). Hopefully this will help with integration across the whole coalition.
papugoz:
Jak zawsze czytam to co wklejasz, to tym razem chyba odpuszczę....
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A jednak przeczytałem. Dzięki!
Dux:
Szczere słowa podziwu dla tego pana dragona, że mu się chciało tyle pierdół naraz pisać. Chyba ich cynaboajt miał zły dzień i nie mógł złapać żadnego slashera dla czekającego stada pandemikowych superkapsli, że gość miał tyle czasu na banialuki ;D
Ciekawym też jest czy gościowi się tylko nudziło, czy też wśród pozostałych równorzednych (a jakże!) członków koalicji zaczęła sie roznosić jakaś panika w stylu "kto następny", skoro tak się tłumaczy.
CATfrcomCheshire:
--- Cytat: Dux w Kwiecień 05, 2013, 15:56:07 ---Ciekawym też jest czy gościowi się tylko nudziło, czy też wśród pozostałych równorzednych (a jakże!) członków koalicji zaczęła sie roznosić jakaś panika w stylu "kto następny", skoro tak się tłumaczy.
--- Koniec cytatu ---
Z tego co sie orientuje, atmosfera w samym HBC nie jest zbyt ciekawa, na forum Tribali nawet musza czasem kasowac posty, i jak widac dmg control pelna geba, wiec chyba cos jest na rzeczy^^ No w sumie zdziwilbym sie, gdyby wczesniej czy pozniej nie zaczely sie utyskiwania, zwlaszcza po tym jak zostaly potraktowane alianse Squee i High Rollers powinny niektorym sie otworzyc oczy. Nawet biorac pod uwage, ze wiekszosc masy tworza tam otumanione cukrem, sola, tluszczem i Ritalinem amerykanskie nastolatki z nadwaga, jednak naiwnosc ma jakies granice...
Net:
Spotkanie TRIBE i nowych z DICE i SQEE: https://soundcloud.com/lezari/alliance-meeting
- nowe korpy beda oceniane. jabber obowiazkowy! -
- pl/test duzo wydaja na to co wydaje, nie mamy tyle ale membersi maja w ciagu roku moc latac superkapsami. I nie kupowac nowego nightmara za 3b ale odlozyc kase :)
- ..nie mamy kasy wiec otwieramy IB :)
- inne zrodla dochodu: Stain to nasz teren
- latamy razem z testami
- nie dajemy capsow za darmo ale bedzie SUPER REIMBURSTMENT program :)
- cos o wyjezdzie do Catch
- nie racic podczas cta!
- ruskie maja zniknac ze Stain :) doslownie "zostana wykillowani stamtad"...
- budujemy flote kapitali (renters will pay for it :) )
- pvp w zasiegu 11j (hix)
- czyscimy Stain, again - pewnie takie dostali zadanie od testow/pl'ow
- DoD is primary, No value, SE, nie wiedza gdzie zapodzial sie Coven... :) Curse ? (pewnie chowaja tytany :) )
- luty byl nudny! najgorszy miesiac ! fajnie bylo w fountain :)
- jakies bzdury, free isk, blue screeny
- Stain :>
- wprowadzenie do obrony posow i jb
- obsluga capsow
- Stain...
- "a teraz sluchamy krytyki" wow :)
- naga is worst, etc
- be afraid of hs
- makro rokhs ?
- ile jest altow w Tribe ? :)
- sa shipy do oddania :) beda oddawane w paczkach po kilka
- jak wykanczac minerow najefektywniej ?
Inne wiesci zaczytane:
- mozliwy nerf technetium wiec alianse przygotowuja sie do przyjmowania rentierow
- goony siedza cicho ostatnio i patrza co sie dzieje na poludniu, cierpia, ale czekaja
- testy juz nie rzadza HBC
- mowia, ze BL jest obecnie tym czym PL bylo 3 lata temu
Tak wiec TESTY zrobily sobie przedmurzez z RDN i TRIBE a Stain bedzie cywilizowane na wzor Venal ?
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