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Proviblock kontra AAA — ciąg dalszy
Sotharr:
Otwieram nowy wątek przeznaczony na omawianie sytuacji politycznej i publikowanie raportów z bitew w regionach Providence i Catch. Proszę o trzymanie się tematu i zaniechanie prób rozkręcania flejma, gdyż będą one nagradzane punktami.
MightyBaz:
Nowej wielkiej ofensywy o D-G nie odnotowano. Prowadzone są rozmowy dyplomatyczne, jak na razie z mizernym skutkiem. Wczoraj doszło do kilku starć w pockecie 2v (ok. 7j od D-G) wiekszych formacji CVA i AAA (~~180 shipow). http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=355597 Wygląda na rzeźnię. :'(
Obserwuje się też większą aktywność scoutów AAA oraz ogólnie redów. Codziennie latają po Provi w kilku małych gangach +/- 20ppl. Część systemów opustoszała z kerbirów, przenosząc się do mniej nawiedzanych miejsc. Wpływy z turystyki mają tendencję spadkową :2funny: Ktoś rozpowszechnia plotki o IT, który chce dołączyć do zadymy. W Atlasie panuje powszechna opinia, że jak coś, to z nudów też się wybiorą w swoich ulubionych capsach
edit: ktoś moze coś dopisac http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=355653
Gentlemen's Club sa nowym alliancem, który właczył sie do walki, przyznam, ze do tej pory byli KOS dla Provi. Czyzby coś się zmieniło?
Tloluvin:
Dodalbym, ze po provi ciagle sie szwenda Noir. i na localu rzuca teksty jakie to CVA jest be, a AAA cacy i zeby ludzie sie opamietali i poszli do AAA ;D
Gentlemen's Club wciaz jest jako KOS w provi wiec pod tym wzgledem nic sie nie zmienilo
MightyBaz:
--- Cytat: Tloluvin w Luty 01, 2010, 10:28:53 ---
Gentlemen's Club wciaz jest jako KOS w provi wiec pod tym wzgledem nic sie nie zmienilo
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ale na kb aaa sa po stronie CVA, chyba ze znowu jakis b(A)u(A)g(A)n :uglystupid2:
Sammani:
CVA dostalo "propozycje", ktora odrzucilo:
--- Cytat: Manfred Sideous ---
People of Providence - from -A- with love.
Consider the following an open statement to the people of Providence, their affiliates and their supporters alike. This statement is provided to you in two versions, a longwinding but detailed and self explanatory wall of text, and a TL;DR right at the bottom.
Since longer then most of us can remember, the alliance of -A- and the various alliances and organisations living in Providence have enjoyed a relationship which entailed both risk, fun, and challenges for all involved. While different sides base themselves on different principles of engagement and vision, all sides have over the years stared at each other over the barrels of our weapons face to face.
Regardless of shooting each other (or maybe because of, but without excess), we have over the years come to a pretty open relationship based on more then just exposure to each other as neighbours who enjoy the challenges of this New Eden. We have come to a relationship with an open visor that served more purposes then all sides sometimes like to admit. Even on the level of us common pilots and soldiers, we have grown a relationship of respect and appreciation.
Engaging each other in either fun or challenge, has been the nature of events, and is one of the principle elements of the relationship we have. Or had, I should perhaps say.
Not too long ago, when the alliance of CVA found itself disbanded, -A- stepped up and got in touch right then and there with your leaders, regardless of being neutral in our relationships we pledged to stand by and defend the people of Providence should the unfortunate situation of CVA disbanding give rise to a threat or assault on Providence and its people. We formed, and stood ready, but a single word was needed. No, not even a single word.
It is as such, remarkable to see how a unique relationship where either side knew perfectly what they were at with the other side was disrupted by a long term vision designed by CVA leadership which culminated in the now infamous project to expand into Catch, into -A- space, and onwards from there.
Born from a sentiment of frustration with the day to day mechanisms of our New Eden, taxation by Institutions found in the Empires and hard to accept out here in lawless space by many, as well as a sense of unease with the paths available to us out here in lawless space, that project did not just have an ill conceived focus and target, it was also based on unfounded assumptions from both economical and strategic perspectives. After all, we have the mechanisms that enable us pilots to not just make a living, but to make a great living, through a little effort and a little teamwork. As organisations, this applies to us even more, since even a single system with a single station can provide for an ever growing number of pilots and the organisations they are a part of. It is not an easy adaptation, it affects many of us, but perhaps it is not wrong to say that of all pilots it affects the richest of us the most. Perhaps herein lie the causes of the current escalation.
Not too long ago, there was a first escalation which occured in the F9E system, where a clear and established boundary was stepped over. The response was swift, but limited, as communicated to the CVA leadership at the time. As mentioned before, with an open visor and knowing what you are at with the other side you can get face to face and sort things out. Even so, because a boundary was stepped over, we made sure to make it clear once more what the boundaries were, and what reaction it would provoke should those get crossed. As some of you may remember, most of us common pilots or soldiers saw the now infamous comic made by Ivan Wise floating around. While entertaining, it was the exact gist of the message.
But then we became aware of events and happenings bearing great similarities to long term scenarios once discussed in theorycrafting among CVA leadership. Events of such similarity that it gave us enough concern to start observing more closely, and even to start digging, especially because we in -A- were going through a time of adaptation (in more ways then just dealing with the institutional claws of Empire institutions).
We wrote these events off as not very likely, because of previous communications, but also on the basis of how we ourselves had been able to adapt as pilots to changing circumstances. It turns out we were wrong. Not only did it become clear through the actions of LFA that the intent to expand into Catch was a clear and present intent, but it also became clear through the actions of CVA leadership to let LFA cross boundaries with full intent, that there was more to this at play. This became clear once we checked in once again, but found that in the mean time we were not just seeing LFA, but combined fleets crossing not just boundaries but going directly for systems -A- deems of strategic value as buffers for its infrastructure and sphere of influence.
During that time, -A- was engaged in a short campaign elsewhere, so the crossing of boundaries by LFA, combined with this being reinforced by combined fleets from Providence, and under the clear sanction from CVA, it basically made us look around and raise an eyebrow. How was it possible that in spite of open visors, clear boundaries, and a previous incident with clear response this could happen. Even if CVA would be unable or unwilling to adapt to the changes of New Eden, these actions and plans we were seeing from CVA leadership made little sense at all. After all, as some leadership perhaps remembers, when Agression and Veritas left Immensea, talks were opened with CVA leadership on transferring the region of Immensea to CVA for the people of Providence to expand into. These talks even entailed setting connections as required. As it stands, the offer was refused, and these talks ended.
Be all this as it may, we are facing a conflict of annihilation, a conflict for which the reasons are rooted in confusion and such a variety of circumstances that it boggles the mind how this could start in the first place. We have no hate for the people of Providence, we bear no malcontempt for its Holders, on the contrary. But some unwritten rules apply to all space holding alliances equally, similar to the laws of physics, to every action a reaction must and will follow. It is not our desire to turn this into a conflict of excess, but the actions of your leaders determine our reactions.
In the past few days following but also during the conquest of D-G, there have been a lot of talks. Between leaders, between FC's, between pilots. All of these talks come down to the simple statement that we harbour no hate, we react as can be expected, our reaction is directly correspondant to the nature and size of the threat aligned to our interests, and that we have no wish to burn or remove the people of Providence. New Eden is innately ingrained with violence, but it must not by default be a violence which knows no boundaries.
Unfortunately, while as pilots we still seem perfectly capable to fly around with open visor, this appears not to be the case on a leadership level in CVA. Sofar all efforts here have fallen silent, and what we see in preparation and in planning among CVA is only going to fuel the conflict to a nuclear fire which will consume the region.
As it currently stands, we have spoken with CVA leadership, stating our intent to not cause permanent harm, even with a scenario of a return of the D-G system, and informed CVA leadership of -A- holding back (unless again provoked) until following Monday February 1st at midnight pending their reaction and willingness to contain the current conflict. However, even this has been refused.
TL;DR
People of Providence, give your leaders a reality check. Their efforts supporting their current vision are not just incorrect, but counterproductive and born out of a stubborn resistance to adaptation. Make this clear to them please, or you will all die for them.
Have a pleasant day.
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W skrocie propozycja polegala na tym, ze -A- zwraca D-G i zapomina o zemscie, ale CVA zobowiazuje sie nigdy nie ruszac terenow -A-. Podobniesz tez -A- zarzadalo wywalenie LFA z Provi jako kary za atak na tereny -A-. CVA propozycje odrzucilo czy to dlatego, ze nie chce opuscic sojusznika czy tez dlatego, ze znudzila im sie egzystencja jako playground dla calego poludnia.
Z troche lzejszej strony: -A- uwaza sie za holdersa w Provi :P
Fora sa pelne zapowiedzi ofensywy na Provi z strony -A- oraz konca CVA. Napewno do czesci miekszancow Provi to trafia. Zobaczymy co przyniesie przyszlosc.
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